Deniability - How to Cash out your crypto gains (Fiat income limits, and justifications) #49

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nihilist · 2024-09-23T10:56:11+02:00

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Bill-Cipher commented

2024-10-07 19:52:20 +02:00

Hallo, nihilist
i think that i didn't understand something because you say here that cashing out you Monero of bitcoin is difficult.

because i see there is like three ways to cashing out or using Monero to buy.

Monerica: Monerica is a website that lists businesses and marketplaces that accept Monero as payment. They offer a variety of products and services, including gold, silver, digital goods, medical/pharmaceutical treatments, phone plans & SIM cards, technology/computer hardware, weapons & self-defense, and more. This means you don't need to cash out.

Gold, Silver, and Gift Cards—God bless Gift Cards. In Monerica, there are websites like Keys4Coins, CoinsCards, Coinsbee, and more that sell Gift Cards. Also in Monerica, there are websites like BitGolder, Veldt God, and Suisse Gold, but in some countries like Germany and the Netherlands, you could get in trouble if you don't inform the government about your gold and silver.

in some marketplaces where you could find people that sell money for monero.

These methods might be difficult for people with millions, but with good operational security (OpSec), lies, and careful planning, they can exploit the system by moving to a country with a poor tax structure.

ButI think I misunderstood the question.

Hallo, nihilist i think that i didn't understand something because you say here that cashing out you Monero of bitcoin is difficult. because i see there is like three ways to cashing out or using Monero to buy. Monerica: Monerica is a website that lists businesses and marketplaces that accept Monero as payment. They offer a variety of products and services, including gold, silver, digital goods, medical/pharmaceutical treatments, phone plans & SIM cards, technology/computer hardware, weapons & self-defense, and more. This means you don't need to cash out. Gold, Silver, and Gift Cards—God bless Gift Cards. In Monerica, there are websites like Keys4Coins, CoinsCards, Coinsbee, and more that sell Gift Cards. Also in Monerica, there are websites like BitGolder, Veldt God, and Suisse Gold, but in some countries like Germany and the Netherlands, you could get in trouble if you don't inform the government about your gold and silver. in some marketplaces where you could find people that sell money for monero. These methods might be difficult for people with millions, but with good operational security (OpSec), lies, and careful planning, they can exploit the system by moving to a country with a poor tax structure. ButI think I misunderstood the question.

nihilist commented

2024-10-07 20:22:36 +02:00

yea my bad i didn't brainstorm that one yet, be aware that it's a complex one, so it will require alot of content, the tutorial needs to cover:

0)Introduction on fiat income justifications:

to recieve any income at all, officially you need to be able to justify it:
meaning you need to be able to justify that you sold something or provided a service to recieve that money, and need to declare it
if the fiat payment you recieved is already tracked by the government or an entity acting on their behalf (bank transfer, or a CBDC transaction) you will need to be able to justify it.
if the fiat payment you recieved is NOT tracked by the government: such as cash by mail payment, you don't need to justify it as long as noone finds you are in possession of that cash.
Mention some laws around the world regarding how much cash one is allowed to carry on themselves at one point in time (in the US, in the EU, and in Australia)
Mention how big of a one time bank transfer is not likely to raise suspicion, and how much money transferred via bank transfers over the span of an entire month is unlikely to raise suspicion either. Mention what happens when you go above these thresholds.

1)If in a country that didn't move into a cashless economy:

how to convert your monero into fiat (monero -> cash by mail on haveno) :
tedious process but you are getting your money while remaining under the radar.
then advice on how much to keep on yourself at one time, and where to keep that cash.

2)if in a country that actually moved into a cashless economy (CBDC)

how to convert your monero into fiat (monero -> bank transfer on haveno) :
TRICKY PART: As under the scrutiny of an external entity that acts on behalf of the government: how can you justify that income easily while maintaining credibility ?

yea my bad i didn't brainstorm that one yet, be aware that it's a complex one, so it will require alot of content, the tutorial needs to cover: 0)Introduction on fiat income justifications: - to recieve any income at all, officially you need to be able to justify it: - meaning you need to be able to justify that you sold something or provided a service to recieve that money, and need to declare it - if the fiat payment you recieved is already tracked by the government or an entity acting on their behalf (bank transfer, or a CBDC transaction) you will need to be able to justify it. - if the fiat payment you recieved is NOT tracked by the government: such as cash by mail payment, you don't need to justify it as long as noone finds you are in possession of that cash. - Mention some laws around the world regarding how much cash one is allowed to carry on themselves at one point in time (in the US, in the EU, and in Australia) - Mention how big of a one time bank transfer is not likely to raise suspicion, and how much money transferred via bank transfers over the span of an entire month is unlikely to raise suspicion either. Mention what happens when you go above these thresholds. 1)If in a country that didn't move into a cashless economy: - how to convert your monero into fiat (monero -> cash by mail on haveno) : - tedious process but you are getting your money while remaining under the radar. - then advice on how much to keep on yourself at one time, and where to keep that cash. 2)if in a country that actually moved into a cashless economy (CBDC) - how to convert your monero into fiat (monero -> bank transfer on haveno) : - TRICKY PART: As under the scrutiny of an external entity that acts on behalf of the government: how can you justify that income easily while maintaining credibility ?

nihilist commented

2024-10-07 20:25:09 +02:00

idea is to showcase how to at least appear like a regular citizen with a somewhat regular job. not going to step into the "how to justify living as a millionaire"

Bill-Cipher commented

2024-10-07 21:46:46 +02:00

In the case of millions it is complex but i believe the first step is moving to a another country and start businesses for money money laundering. but this kind of plan could need years to implement. i will think about it and come back.

nihilist commented

2024-10-07 22:23:04 +02:00

In the case of millions it is complex but i believe the first step is moving to a another country and start businesses for money money laundering. but this kind of plan could need years to implement. i will think about it and come back.

yea no need, let's stick to the basics for this one

> In the case of millions it is complex but i believe the first step is moving to a another country and start businesses for money money laundering. but this kind of plan could need years to implement. i will think about it and come back. yea no need, let's stick to the basics for this one

Bill-Cipher commented

2024-10-07 22:47:46 +02:00

fine

nihilist changed title from ~~Deniability - Cashing out your cryptocurrency (fiat rate limits + justifications)~~ to Deniability - How to Cash out your crypto gains (Fiat income limits, and justifications)

2024-10-08 09:53:02 +02:00

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